Showing posts with label bathroom. Show all posts
Showing posts with label bathroom. Show all posts

Tuesday, May 12, 2009

Schluter, Pebbles, and Shower Panel

When we were planning our bathroom, the original plan included a one-piece steam shower (something like this . But we weren't sure if it would look a little crazily out of place in our fairly old-fashioned looking house, so instead we decided to build a large-ish custom shower and put a nice shower panel in there. However, this meant I needed to make a 4'x4' waterproof room. I went with the Schluter system, which is as close to a shower room in a box you can get. The kit contains a pre-sloped polystyrene base, a drain that integrates with the base, a polystyrene curb and plenty of waterproof membrane to cover the walls and floor. You just cut the base and curb to the correct sizes (it's just foam), mortar them in place, and coat everything with the orange membrane.
Here you can see the shower room after I coated everything. The membrane (called Kerdi) is about the weight of tar paper, with one side covered with a fleecy material. You just spread thin-set (unmodified) onto the wall (backerboard or fiberglass-faced drywall like DenseArmor) and bed the fleece side into the mortar. Then you basically treat it like wallpaper and use a large trowel to squeeze any excess mortar out from behind the sheet and get any air bubbles out. You overlap all of your edges by at least 2" and they provide you with pre-made corners, so you don't have to figure out how to cut things that fit into the corner. I can never cut the squares in the right way to flash corners, so those were very nice. It only took me about a day to figure out what to do and do the whole shower, so I'm really pleased with the Schluter stuff. Since we didn't install a steam generator, I didn't have to kerdi the ceiling, but I wanted to show off our shower light.
I have always wanted to use the pebble tile and the 12 sqft of our shower room is about the only place I can afford to use them, so I went for them. Installing them is fairly easy, grouting them is hell. Ignore any recommendation about grout coverage guidance and buy the biggest bag of grout you can, you'll need all of it. You'll also need about 10 sponges and as many buckets filled with water as you can find. Then prepare yourself for a mess.
I've heard of advice to use your hands to put the grout in, but I think those people are crazy, that sounds even messier. What worked for me was cleaning as best I could with the float and then letting the grout dry longer than you normally do. I think the quantity of the grout makes it dry slower, so I had to let it set for 45 minutes or so before I could start working it down to where I wanted it. It was firm enough I had to scrub a little bit in order remove grout, but that made it relatively easy to get to the exposure that I wanted. I'm pretty pleased with the outcome. Before you grout, you'll want to seal the pebble so that the grout comes off a bit easier, I used the Dupont Stonetech Sealer, Enhancer, and cleaner. The seem to be really good products, pricey, but good. The difference between this sealer and the spray-on sealers is night and day. Water beads on the grout in the shower, and no water condenses on the grout on the walls, it's pretty impressive. I also used strips of the pebble tile for an accent strip (about 4" wide) about halfway up the shower wall and a strip of little 1" tile just below the ceiling. We used a faux-travertine tile for the walls, as we wanted something low maintenance in there.
Here is the little cubby I built in. It's a bit.... cramped. I made the hole the size I wanted, then I boxed it in (-1"), then I membraned (-1/2") and tiled (-1"). So now it's a little small, but it still works to hold razors and normal size shampoo bottles. We'll have to add an aftermarket shelf to augment the storage (http://www.raficreations.com/existing_tile_installation.html).

Lastly, here's a picture of our showerpanel. It's red and fantastic (if painful to install). A word of warning, these things mount REALLY close to the wall, so cut your stub outs and install threaded (male) adaptors that just barely come out of the wall before you membrane or tile anything. I didn't do that and had a hell of a time getting things to fit.
It was a lot more work than a steam shower (which requires plugging in), but it came our really nice. We'll install a frameless glass door at somepoint, they're expensive and the shower curtain works fine for right now. But otherwise, it's ready to go and a pleasure to use.

Wednesday, January 14, 2009

Bathroom Ponderings

We've started trying to figure out what to do about our green-carpeted bathroom abomination but have been struggling to fit everything in. The big problem is the sloped ceiling, as this room is tucked up into the roof in one corner of the house. I drew up the room in Sketchup, an export of the current layout is below. You can see the slope in the wall next to the window, at it's lowest point it's about 36" off of the floor, so there's a lot of un-useable space over there. The shower is a fiberglass corner install (next to the toilet), and is really too small. The counter (despite it's massive 5' length) only has one sink, and only about 24" of useable space before the ceiling get's under 6'.
Below is about the only thing I've come up with that I don't hate too much. It's surprisingly similar to the current layout, maybe there's only so many ways to lay things out in this space.


Somehow, we'll drag the whirlpool hottub out of there, and build a knee (shoulder?) wall at about the 6'6" height and put a double vanity against that. There's just enough room for a 22" vanity to fit between the wall and the window. The toilet stayes roughly where it is, it'll get pushed over an inch or two to ensure that we've got 48" for the shower. We had hoped to get one of these for a shower, but it seems like it will work less well up against the toilet. Instead, we'll build that as a solid wall and build a custom tile enclosure. We'll put a sitting tub next-ish to the vanity. I could only find a model for a 6' tub, and we'll be using a maximum 5' tub, so there will be much more space then it actually looks like. I'll move the knee-wall in as far as possible to allow the tub to be in there and put builtins into the knee wall.

I dunno, maybe this works. I'm not totally sold and keep waiting for an epiphany.